Weve got the most informed readers in Scotland, asking each other the big questions about the future of our country. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Official University of the Arts London 2023 Applicants Thread, Official University of Bristol 2023 Applicant Thread. There were 50 or 60 Rangers fans there when Chelsea played Celtic in a pre-season friendly in August 2006. Fecking moron Gio. 803 posts [32][33], Some Rangers fans have been accused of making Nazi salutes, most notably at a UEFA Cup game in Israel in 2007. Up to $10 000 in daily prizes, Community Shield match or major cup final involving Liverpool, Five reasons why Man Utd can win a quadruple , Pepe's best assist? It has been all change in the City of Discovery and now the Irishman could be set to take the reins against his former club. Rangers are the most successful team in Scottish football history and the second in the world.. Another facet of the hatred is rooted in Ranger's religious ideologies that are seen as far more conflicting than the rest of Scotland. . Prior to that socks were all red, red with a white top or (my favourite) black with a red top. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. The forward was booked by Nick Walsh after taking a tumble in this box during the Viaplay Cup final. There's an element of stereotyping here. The Last time I looked Rangers where a Scottish Club so unless thing have changed. But thats what I, and thousands more like me, have done. I don't believe that's true. What will emerge at the other side of the referendum what kind of Scotland, Britain, Northern Ireland or Rangers none of us yet know. It was a disgraceful punishment and Big Dunc refused to play for Scotland after that. People of State Pension age living on their own may be due extra 201 each week from April. Over the years, we have seen many celebrities come out and publicly declare . Popular Days. A RANGERS fan has claimed half of the Ibrox support are in favour of Scotland being an independent country. The Student Room and The Uni Guide are both part of The Student Room Group. Amongst the Everton supporters there were more than a few Irish tricolours waved back at the protesting Liverpool fans; At Dave Watson's testimonial match (late 1990s), Everton versus Rangers, a huge mob of Rangers fans stormed up Goodison Road attacking Everton fans and screaming at them "fenian bastards". 12 famous faces who follow Rangers. We expected the canned vitriol from the other member clubs, even though Rangers more than any other club in the history of Scottish football - has been there at the drop of a hat to bail out those who had fallen on hard times. This verse is from a song that Celtic football fans sing called The Fields of Athenry. Liverpool as a city has changed drastically since the 1980s, still retaining its status as a crucial sporting and cultural hub, but its citizens disregard and resentment towards a government that had never supported them still remains. [2] Rangers have an estimated worldwide fanbase in excess of 9 million supporters. Rangers, who play at the 50,817 capacity Ibrox, averaged 49,147 fans per game in the 2017/18 season. It led to severe unemployment and poverty within the city, with the government largely unwilling to aid, and even cutting its public services. The Bradford fire game is offered up by some as a bonding moment but the reality is the attendance was something like 7,500. No-one seems to have an exact explanation. There is also the matter of the handling of the Hillsborough disaster and its aftermath. The second reason for a lack of support from Rangers fans towards the Scotland National team is the sheer dislike and abuse the fans receive from supporters of other teams. "The backing the fans have given Rangers since the dark days of 2012 has been nothing short of remarkable - unprecedented, really, in world football. Arsenal beating Everton to Gabriel proving vital, Liverpool need midfielders - but they need a new Van Dijk too, Nike unveil 2022-23 winter Premier League ball, Football on UK TV: Matches to watch & stream this week. It's a massive club with a massive support and has idiots supporting them, as does Celtic. But the majority of Rangers supporters still followed Scotland. Stewart Andrew was also fined 1125 and ordered to pay a 75 victim surcharge to the woman, who he had previously been in a relationship with, when he appeared at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court. The panel will meet three times a year with Chelsea board . Anti-SFA chants at Ibrox became the norm. that Rangers are no longer a "Loyalist club" and have "sold-out to political correctness", because all of their players "took the knee" in support of the extreme-left wing group Black Lives Matter (BLM) before their friendly game against Lyon, in France last . The hypocrisy stinks and it shows that there's a clear anti-Rangers agenda among the SNP. Every professional sportsman has to have some level of self-belief to get to where they are. Unfortunately, though, these important debates are being spoiled by a vocal minority of trolls who arent really interested in the issues, try to derail the conversations, register under fake names, and post vile abuse. The headline stuck out like a sore thumb; those big black letters grabbing my attention. Jul 31 2021. Watch your mouth: Rangers and Celtic fans are being warned not to sing offensive songs (Image: REUTERS) Group 28 Get the latest top news stories sent straight to your inbox with our daily newsletter SNP leadership contender Ash Regan announces 'bonkers' currency plan for independent Scotland. FIFA did the right thing by banning the one love arm band. Funnily enough, Sturgeon also told Scotland fans not to go to London for the match if they didn't have a ticket . Do all of them wave the union jack? The match between Rangers and Zenit Saint Petersburg was preceded by scuffles between fans. [47] These events led Rangers CEO Stewart Robertson to condemn the racial abuse of Rangers players by stating "if you are unable to support our players, regardless of their background, you are not welcome at Ibrox".[48]. Feb 12, 2023; Glendale, Arizona, US; Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Frank Clark (55) celebrates a play against the Philadelphia . Adding us to your Adblock whitelist will help offset this somewhat. More info. [40][41], In 2003, Rangers chairman John McClelland vowed to 'weed out' those who among the Rangers support who 'indulge in racist behaviour.' [22], The rivalry with Aberdeen began in the late 1970s when the two clubs were among the strongest in Scotland. big bro geek Posts: 18,268. Do all of them support england? FFS IDK WT HAPND 2MY QUESTION AND I DIDNT GET TO READ THE REPSONSE IF U HAVE As @ BIO, Official UNIVERSITY of BATH 2023 entry thread. supporters, many of whom have strong unionist beliefs. [7], Rangers fans have contributed to a number of records for massive attendances,[8] most notably the highest home attendance for a British league fixture, 118,567 on 2 January 1939. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Remember the ridiculous outpouring of anger when Rangers fans took to the streets of Glasgow to celebrate their title success? Why do Celtic fans say BHOY? "In plain English that meant withdrawing . England or Scotland?? Indeed, friendlies between the two sides, usually at Windsor Park, are a regular feature of the summer calendar. For me, I've got no problem with it. Typically, I see the Tartan Army to be largely anti-Old Firm because it's mainly made up of supporters of the also-rans of Scottish football who . Beer was on tap from off-licences with supporters carrying crates. Beale started Glen Kamara, John Lundstram and Malik . A Gannett Company. Bartender shares 'rude' comment customers should never say when ordering drinks. TODD CANTWELL has all the talent in the world. A Rangers fan has admitted throwing a bottle at a Celtic physio and leaving permanent scarring during an Old Firm match last year. [44] In August 2019, UEFA ordered Rangers to close a part of their stadium after their fans were found guilty of 'racist chanting.'. And no i'm not anti English, far from it, I just know a rubbish team when I see one. Traditionally, Rangers supporters align themselves as native Scots or Ulster Scots as well as Protestant and Loyalist, while Celtic fans tend to be Irish-Scots and Catholic and Republican. 10. 2. Please report any comments that break our rules. Having never truly felt the support of their government, people from Liverpool identify less as English and more as their own Scouse entity. Celtic have won the last seven league titles in succession, but Brendan Rodgers is aware that Rangers pose a huge threat to that record. During the alcohol-fuelled celebrations, a minority of supporters became 'unruly' leading to 'violent clashes' with each other, and then with the police after a decision was made to forcibly disperse the group at 9pm, during which several people were violently assaulted, property was vandalised and missiles and flares were thrown at officers. Rangers fans seem quite divided on this one, a lot of them appear to hate the Scottish national team passionately, and many appear to be cheering on England instead. A lot of their fathers and grandfathers will be turning in their graves if they thought their sons were supporting England over Scotland, i know my father would be and he was a proud Unionist Rangers man. The group disclosed disturbing details of how members plan to 'brick up' the sexual health clinic in March. Scotland as a team are rubbish, we all know that but the team do their best to put on a show in front of the fans. Fast Stream 2023 (Reinstated) applicants thread. [37][n 1] William Gallard, UEFA's Director of Communications, commended the SFA and Scottish clubs, including Rangers, for their actions in fighting discrimination. ClockEnderAFC. Do Rangers fans support Scotland or England? Are Rangers Fans Unionists. Will Bayern Munich finally lose their Bundesliga title this season? He is worshiped at Ibrox. Manchester City accused of breaking financial rules by Premier League, The Official TSR Fantasy Premier League 2022/23. Because to use, it seems as though its only an issue when football crowds gather when its Rangers supporters. Rangers fan, and support Scotland as most do. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. The fanbase at the Jolly Malster pub, just off the Fulham Road would arrange trips to Europe and sometimes to Rangers home games. The Maggie May singer was filmed singing along to Grace and The Celtic Song with fellow punters at Murphy's Irish Bar in the Merchant City on Sunday night. 2023 Applicants - do you understand how student finance works? Relations between fans were further soured during a league match on 8 October 1988, when Aberdeen player Neil Simpson's tackle on Rangers' Ian Durrant resulted in Durrant being injured for two years. HP10 9TY. A survey of Scotland fans was done not too long ago and it found that there were more fans of Rangers in the Scotland support than of any other single club. The hypocrisy stinks and it shows that theres a clear anti-Rangers agenda among the SNP. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. Why do celtic fans struggle to know the difference between Britain and England. Is Messi now the undisputed greatest of all time? In 2008, up to 200,000 Rangers supporters traveled to Manchester for the UEFA Cup Final, with some issues of disturbance and disorder. He talked, we listened. The Gers boss might be getting grief in the wake of Sundays League Cup final defeat but so is another Ibrox backer. As the referendum approaches, there's the increasing feel of a nation being cleaved in two. [18], Having received the Scottish Premiership trophy on 15 May 2021, thousands of Rangers fans gathered at Ibrox in the morning and walked the 3 miles (4.8km) to George Square to celebrate the team's title success, although this was still not permitted under pandemic regulations and authorities had requested the supporters to stay in their local area. Members of the 29-year-old's family were sickened after spotting a sign reading 'Justice for Morton Eadie' being flown above the stadium during Sunday's Old Firm match in Glasgow. Home of the Daily and Sunday Express. Hearts, Hbs and St Mirren may also have to do without some of their players next winter when the tournament gets underway. When the Geordie genius Gazza joined Rangers in 1995, a few more made the switch from the dark blue of Scotland to the iconic white top of England. A huge part of Liverpudlians feeling othered on English soil comes from the treatment of Conservative-led governments dating back several decades. Hibs owner and chairman Go Celtic's traditional support is mostly from the Catholic Irish community, while Rangers' support is mostly from the Protestant Unionist community. Having trouble logging in by clicking the link at the top right of the page? Staff and customers at Edinbane Lodge were surprised to see the A-lister pop in for a bite to eat over the weekend. Image caption, 17. Rangers, it might be argued, was historically influenced by such forces, but the club has come to play a central role in their perpetuation and this is a cause of unease for some fans. Just as the rise of the SNP may prove to be a potential calling of time on Britain, so too did Scotland at least, its various footballing tribes and organisations turn a rancorous face towards Rangers at its lowest ebb. Tragic hillwalker and dog who plunged 100ft in Glencoe to have ashes scattered together. Rangers have a loyal and fervent support in the province, one that thinks nothing of sending thousands to games at Ibrox as though they were travelling from Kirkintilloch or some other town in close proximity to Glasgow. "We've improved with the three players we've brought in. the full cocept of the union jack is madness there is no british empire and there shouldnt be a united kingdom and saying you hate england but love britain is insanity, the full cocept of the union jack is madness there is no british empire and there shouldnt be a united kingdom and saying you hate england but love britain is insanity because britain is england, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Copyright The Student Room 2023 all rights reserved. Are you sure you want to delete this comment? Rangers have won more top division titles. There are a multitude of reasons as to why Liverpool fans and Liverpudlians in general choose not to associate themselves with the English national anthem and what it stands for. GMB's Susanna Reid forced to change dress that was too 'racy' for morning TV. Rangers adopted this anthem after the club won 9 titles in a row in the 1990s and Rangers supporters started a campaign that got the song into the top 10 of the UK singles chart in 2010 to commemorate the club's 53rd title win.[21]. [6] A study of stadium attendance figures from 2013 to 2018 by the CIES Football Observatory ranked Rangers at 18th in the world during that period, even though they had been playing at lower levels for three of those five seasons. I believe Chelsea fans prefer Rangers, Manchester United fans would probably prefer Celtic, someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). "He said it was . inaccuracy or intrusion, then please 2022 Hearst UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 30 Panton Street, Leicester Square, London, SW1Y 4AJ. Other anthems played at home matches include Penny Arcade by Roy Orbison and Simply the Best by Tina Turner which is played as the teams come onto the pitch. Rangers stated that they had "issued a full and unreserved apology" to Aberdeen and their supporters, and this was accepted by Aberdeen. Rangers and Celtic fans have been seen fighting outside Hampden Park ahead of Sunday's cup final game between the two teams. contact the editor here. Express. If you dont, surely you remember when SNP leader and Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon hit out at the thuggish minority who seem to care little for the risks they pose to other people? ). After Sunday's Viaplay Cip final victory, the Hoops are just three trophies behind their rivals' total haul of 117. They are also massive hypocrites. Amazon Fire TV Stick users may soon start seeing a warning message when trying to side-load dodgy unofficial apps. [42] In March 2015, Rangers director Chris Graham resigned his position after posting derogatory comments about Muslims on social media. Scotland had thumped Cyprus 8-0 at Hampden in a World Cup qualifying match. The Light Blues supporter was marching with Celtic fans during the AUOB independence . Both Celtic and Rangers have made the top 20, with Manchester United top of the list - followed by Borussia Dortmund. That way, all the trolls who post abuse on our website will have to pay if they want to join the debate and risk a permanent ban from the account that they subscribe with. winning over 100 trophies in its 150 years of existence. He stated that back in the 1960s the club colours were solely blue and white and he seemed to think that the red in the socks was a recent innovation and may be part of some deliberate linkage from the club to associate it with the colours of the Union flag. In 2011, official papers revealed that Margaret Thatcher was indeed secretly urged to consider abandoning Liverpool to a fate of "managed decline". in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net. Our club was a mess. However, with Scotland set to play Scotland at Wembley on Friday in the European Championships, a blind eye has seemingly been turned to those who have travelled down to London for the match. In rugby, I'm mixed. Jul 28 2021. Yet she, nor Yousaf, have condemned those who defied instructions and travelled to England regardless. Lets get that debate started! Former Liverpool player Stan Collymore reckons the Old Firm derby looks like a "tea party" compared to one of the rivalries he nearly experienced during his career. While current MP Boris Johnson was editor of The Spectator in 2004, an article written by Simon Heffer spoke of the victim mentality of the people of Liverpool. PM refuses my request for him to apologise for his Spectator editorial repeating #Hillsborough untruths, accusing Liverpool people of wallowing in self pity. And so, its not entirely surprising as to why Liverpool fans feel so strongly about singing the national anthem, as they feel that in doing so, they would be giving their backing to a monarchy and regime that has never really shown them any support. Many have been lured in by the Abramovich era, due to Chelsea's successes, especially fans who would not have been around during the era of the fire. 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As Covid-19 has affected everyone, it has seriously impacted what companies spend on ads. Paper Subscription to the Daily Record and Sunday Mail, Paper Subscription to the Paisley Daily Express, 2023 Scottish Daily Record and Sunday Mail Ltd, Transfer news LIVE as Rangers and Celtic plus Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs eye signings, Ally McCoist gives Rangers VIP treatment to Laura Woods as she raves about 'amazing' Ibrox, Steven Whittaker insists Rangers have nothing to fear in Champions League as he shares his opposition insight, Mark Hateley rues 'crazy' Rangers stance as Celtic reinvention has him admitting that's the difference. The reason for those particular colours is that back in the day they were the colours of the old Govan Burgh, where the club resides. One of the reasons The Gher is hated so much is its success in the Scottish premier league. The message in the stands provoked a widespread debate on social media in the aftermath of the match at the Tony Macaroni Arena. New IRA powerbase just 20 miles away so why didnt intelligence flag possible attack? Whenever the national anthem is met by Liverpool fans, the Reds supporters jeer and whistle but why? 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As a result, Liverpool has a strong Irish identity, and yet Irish people had been madeto feelothered in their new home by other English people. The arrival of Graeme Souness at Ibrox in 1986, with the attendant wealth, glamour and success, mirrored an upsurge in the City of London after Margaret Thatcher's 'Big Bang' deregulation of the financial sector. Girls who is the hottest football player? For me, it's a normal comment for a professional sportsman to make." Full Celtic Media Conference: Cameron Carter-Vickers (24/02/23) #ViaplayCup Final. Miller was given a match penalty and ejected after spitting on Doughty after a whistle late in the first period of Sunday's 5-2 win for the Rangers. As a ritualised form of combat, football can become a cauldron of symbols and themes. As far back as I remember, I've s. AS a nationalist and a Rangers supporter I am often disgusted at the behaviour of some of our so-called fans, and waving a Union Jack annoys me greatly. But there are also many who intend to vote Yes, just as there are supporters of Celtic, Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee United and Hearts who intend to vote No. "Identity is key to understanding why some Welsh fans are willing to support England and others prefer to support anyone England is playing." Image source, Getty Images. Last time I checked England was a part of Britain. Discuss Confused about the Rangers Fans? A photo has gone viral sowing what appears to be three women squatting on the ground and against a wall relieving themselves whilst enjoying Rangers going the league season unbeaten. 1,679 posts. Why do Liverpool supporters boo the national anthem? the spl and sfa treated us like crap when we went into admin, as did fans of other clubs in scotland, so it turned a lot of people off the scotland team, added to this this tartan army are a bunch of fuds who somehow think their form of nationalist abuse is somehow less offensive than ours despite it being essentally the same thing. Jim Goodwin emerges as Dundee United next manager frontrunner and his first match set to be against former club Aberdeen. After 25 years for following the Gers (I Support my local team by going to mathces) and as an EnglishmanI cheer on England. ENGLAND enter Euro 2020 with tensions between the players and some fans rumbling on over the taking of the knee. One study showed that 74% of Celtic supporters identify themselves as Catholic, whereas only 10% identify as Protestant; for Rangers fans, the figures are 2% and 65% . Answer (1 of 8): Thanks for the A2A, I'll try my best. It didnt help when Mr Gascoigne made a complete fool of Colin Hendry and Andy Goram at Euro 96. As a percentage of their capacity, Rangers have a higher figure, with 96.71%. The extra letter was an attempt to capture the Irish . Rangers have always had a special relationship with Northern Ireland. A recent conference at Queen's University sought to relate the Scottish question to wider UK concerns about constitutional relationships and identities. [45] In July 2020, Rangers defender Connor Goldson was criticized by Rangers fans for supporting the Black Lives Matter movement, he described the fans' reaction as 'hate' and 'ignorance',[46] he was supported by ex-Rangers player, Mo Edu who also expressed his "embarrassment" and "disappointment" with some Rangers fans' reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement. In 2006, Rangers was one of the best-supported clubs in the UK with an estimated 1.4 million supporters. "They expected more and they deserved . [citation needed], Rangers, along with Old Firm rivals Celtic, have the largest support base of all the clubs in Scotland. Were the first to admit it, but the way we were treated was appalling. Its ports have attracted people internationally, and it is home to one of Englands oldest African and Chinese communities. 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