Sahih International. Indeed, the Quran states that many generations came after the first tribe of Thamud without specifying an exact timeline. Asalam Alie Kum 1. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. He said, "My people, worship God. Can it be said that the Thamud made wells and their successors i.e. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, They became two parties quarreling with each other. Have not read their own bibles. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. But I digress. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. The ruined abandoned wells and ruined lofty palaces were present at the time of the Prophet (). In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. 3 Southern Europe. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. Between the mountains were valleys with gardens and springs of water. where they used to live. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. . What the hidden 85 percent will reveal remains to be seen. Source: Sahih Muslim 2980, Grade: Sahih. Thus, if the Quran is in error about the identities of whoever carved out the structures in Madian Salehor wherever else the Thamud livedthe Bible is also in error when it claims a pre-Nabatean people carved out structures in the mountains of Edom. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . However, while I agree that these two groups are certainly predecessors to modern Arabs, Im not convinced that Hud, Salih, Shuayb, and Ismail were actually Arabs.. Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. What is the issue here? But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. 15. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Seriously? They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. Traditionally, both the prophets Hud and Saleh and by implication, their respective communities Aad andThamud, are thought to have existed generations before Abraham, placing them well before 1300 BC (at the very least1). It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. From about the 2nd century BCE, a few inscriptions from Qaryat al-Faw reveal a dialect no longer considered proto-Arabic, but pre-classical Arabic. And God knows best. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . They were elites. 63-65. There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. They are called "Skulls" because it is thought that the skull is the most important part of the body, and the majority of Arab tribes are descended from these major tribes.[37][38][39][40][41]. [16] It is possible that the Thamud were not one tribe, and that other tribes took on the name of Thamd after the original tribe by that name had gone extinct. 7. [16] Scarcity of water and of permanent pastoral land required them to move constantly. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. They were Giants and so powerful. who occupy the heights of the hill. [pp. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. [3] Nigel Groom, Frankincense and Myrrh, A Study of the Arabian Incense Trade, Longman, London and New York; Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1981, p. 189, pg. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. Akkadians [21], A hadith tradition preserved in the a al-Bukhr collection narrates that the Islamic prophet Muhammad called Hegra "the land of Thamud" and did not allow his troops to drink from its wells or to use its water, and to never enter its ruins "unless weeping, lest occur to you what happened to them. Its in their records, that we find out first mention of Thamud. Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. 9. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. Even if the prophet saw these exact structures which are visible today and we can, hypothetically, prove beyond a shadow of doubt that no one ever lived in them, and he took them to be the dwellings of the Thamud, that isnt a major problem. What are the Sunnahs and etiquettes that we should >>> , - ?____ Fatwa . Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. So Ad lives in a mountainous country with lush valleys; and they made altars on the mountains. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. Although, implausible, but not impossible. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. So nothing availed them [from] what they used to earn. But the shriek seized them at early morning. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. Of course, when they challenged Allah and His Messenger like this, they were just inviting destruction. I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. The Edomites were proud of their wealth and riches, which they had by robberies amassed together; and of their military skill and courage, and of their friends and allies; and especially of their fortresses and fastnesses, both natural and artificial; and therefore thought themselves secure, and that no enemy could come at them to hurt them, and this deceived them: thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock; al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). Finally, we should understand that Allah has no problem replacing one people with another. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were anni. The following commentary on the verses from Obadiah, found in biblestudytools.com, is rather revealing. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. [2] The Quran endorses this fact; they were not outright destroyed and the believers survived: Then look! They could either mean that we can see the remains and consider the signs and warnings or theyre giving HISTORICAL lessons and portents for us to take note. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? 27:52 is in present tense. I do understand why most Christians are unaware of the fine details interspersed within the ponderous and drawn-out book. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are. It does not imply that they were carved by members of the ancient tribe of Thamd. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. And of course, they were also polytheists. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. 1. 41.13-18 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. Think over this in detail. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. (41:13) It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). [27], The migration of Arab tribes to Mesopotamia began in the seventh century, and by the late 20th century constituted about three quarters of the population of Iraq. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. [31][32] Other Arab tribes migrated into Sudan in the 12th century and intermarried with the indigenous populations, forming the Sudanese Arabs. well) who killed their Prophet AS and hung him inside a well. So you must also monitor your life for the signs that youre receiving. According to the Greek historian, Diodorus Siculus, the Nabateans have a law neither to sow corn nor to plant any fruit-bearing plant, nor to use wine, nor to build a house. They boasted of their physical strength, and power; they thought that this would protect them from Allh's punishment. Hence, they had become very rich. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. Hence, they didnt engage in long, drawn out debates with Hud. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? I believe carving out structures in hills and mountains may have been a common practice within the ancient Arabia and its surroundings based on both the Biblical and Quranic accounts. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: . 2. Further confirmation of their service under the Romans, comes via a late 4th (or early 5th century) military document Notitia Dignitatum, which clealy mentions two cavalry units of Thamud, one serving in Egypt and the other in Palestine. Suhih Muslim _ The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat || Html Code Widget || Blogger Website Blog || At _ The story of cow. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. So, in summary, The Quran makes a claim that in a particular time in history, a people known as Thamud built structures on the hills and mountains. Before the destruction came to them, Hud and his small group of followers escaped the area and were spared the punishment. Having failed to save his people, Salih warned that they would be destroyed after three days. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. [12] The temple inscriptions (in Ancient Greek and Nabataean Aramaic) state that it was constructed by a priest named dt of the "Thamd of Robath" for lh, apparently the patron deity of the tribe, with the Roman government's support. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. Nabateans built over them means in general sense; it does not mean that each and every building was replaced by the Nabateans. Man, you must be crazy. This poses problematic. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. Some people think petra was thamud do you think so jazzakkallah, But the main question for me is the first one number 1 the rest are just side questions but number 1 is the main one for me what I would like a detailed response the rest are more of yes or no qustions jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you, But I do agree with your article its just getting more information thats all jazzakkallah so I know how to answer this question jazzakkallah, This is part of qustion 4 do you think 27:52 is talking about there dwellings in the mountions or on the plains or both and does 27:52 mean there dwellings collapsed fallen because if yes 89:9 makes it sound like it is standing that there are more of the buildings showing then just partially but more showing of the buildings so how do we explain this jazzakkallah, Sorry for them being spaced out just put them together but 8. also if there buildings were very big there had to be more left of the buildings remains in the time of the prophet then just partially shouldnt there or not because if they were big there should of been more left or not do you think jazzakkallah how would we explain this jazzakkallah but like I said question 1 is the main one, 9. 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