Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. The lawsuit also includes two members of the Milwaukee Police Department, Adam Maritato and Robert Parks, who were involved in an alleged drop fire incident in July 2020. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. New Hampshire Public Radio | I still own them all. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. Thats like telling the cop you were only going 5 over, not 10. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Looks like that was one of the two Sigs that lost their extractor from blow outs at Sunday's match. Add to Cart. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Including winchester white box,and aluminum, no steel. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. SATIN GOLD | Matte TiN. Only problem I ever had with my 320 compact was a chipped extractor. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. Upon examination, the shell had a scratch on the rim. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Asking for a friend. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. Powered by Invision Community. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. N310 with 165gr? The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. Sig Sauer has settled at least one federal class action lawsuit involving the P320, involving pistols made before 2017, offering refunds or replacement guns to purchasers. fabes_ 6 yr. ago Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. That was me. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Companies stay silent No change. Thanks to all for the advice. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. By Time will tell if no. I continue to bet my life on them. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . (unless theyre SWAT or something). Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. Your previous content has been restored. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. No problems there. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. As the round is stripped from the magazine it is pushed up the feed ramp and into the partially extracted round still hanging out the back of the barrel. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. If there were a defect in 320's, it would be all over the web. I would have recommended what you said you already tried, swapping extractors with one that is know to be good. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. S Stiven Registered Joined Dec 25, 2020 10 Posts My gun just went off! If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. Still thinking. LOL! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? 3. UPDATE: 7-6-16 So, received my P320 9F back from Sig Sauer. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. I'm relatively convinced that it's fixed. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. This weekend I had a FTE that jammed up my gun pretty good. Sent the old kit (as a complete pistol) off to Sig for warranty repair. It has nothing to do with Glock. The problem affecting the original P320 is what the gun industry calls an "unintended discharge," or as one lawsuit against Sig Sauer explains: "The weapon fires without a trigger pull.". That being said this is one gun that no one "if they do use as a carry gun" should not carry with a round in the chamber. This Extractor is designed to fit perfectly in most standard 9mm Sig P320 models. They function as commanded every time. If the ammo is close enough to spec to operate in other firearms without issue, but the 320 has chambering issues causing setback and over pressure. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. Still waiting. The service includes the following. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. and it did not have issues without the extractor. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. Posted: 12/6/2016 11:11:53 PM EST. OK, in answer to all of the above questions. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. You can post now and register later. No, it doesnt. Right. Got a bad batch of WW ammo or Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. Clear editor. I still love my Sig so I really hope everything works out. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. does your striker release out of battery? Pack up a complete gun, including one of my FCUs so now I'm down to one. POLISHED SILVER | Polished CrN. I have fired many different brands of ammo.. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. June 20, 2017 in Sig. Sig Sauer Extractor Pin for New P224,P226,P229. Because its flat out bull**it. But I just had a case blowout this afternoon. Possible causes of that: Had it for 1 hour and had to send it back to Sig! For you X5 users, what powder and bullet set-up are you using to keep pressures low? Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, Fifth Circuit Finalizes Ruling In Favor of Plaintiff in Cargill v. Garland, Legalizes Bump Stocks in Three States, Patriot Picket Lets Marylanders Know What to Expect From the Legislatures Bruen Response Bill, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. You can post now and register later. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. If it fails, you're kind of screwed. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. There were a lot of changes. Before they got to it. I call Sig hoping to send it in for repairs, they told me to try different ammo. how do I get one for my P320? After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. is the manual safety a kit you add? Thanks for the replies guys and gals. P320 9/357/40 EXTRACTOR ASSEMBLY - CORROSION RESISTANT Replace a worn extractor or get a spare for your P320 with this factory one. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. If yours doesn't look like that in some way, you probably have a problem that is going to need to involve Sig CS. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." Is it? Shoot fast, shoot safe. . The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. By ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Any Armorer . The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. Your link has been automatically embedded. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. Sig can burn for all I care. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. Only problem is with the 9F Kit. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. 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